Thank fuck for IRONCLAD. Hardcore made and played by kids that are actually psyched on hardcore, and not by part timers who have a shamefully low gig attendance except when their own band is on the bill. I make no apologies then for giving them their third mention on fullybacked.com and making it into a full blown interview. I sent their bassist Owain a bunch of questions and he fired them right back at me with solid and decent answers.
Photo: Mark Brown
What was the catalyst that triggered the inception of Ironclad, and who instigated it?
There was a thread on CCHC about how hardcore in South Wales could be improved, and I suggested “more bands with genuine anger and rage” in regards to the hardcore bands in South Wales who see being in a band as an excuse to goof around in front of their mates (or not as often is the case). Tom messaged me back and said “let’s make it happen” and it all started to come together. He suggested Rofe on guitar and that made it natural to bring in Gav on drums. We started practising and writing songs last June with the idea of taking our time and getting it right.
Did you have any goals influence-wise when you first went into the practice room or was it a blank canvas?
Not really. Tom and me started talking about it sounding like STRIKING DISTANCE. We started adding in other bands like RIGHT BRIGADE and FROSTBITE which I guess it ended up closer too.
You don’t all live across the road from each other, how do you cope with practices and where is the band based?
Rofe lives in the Mumbles, Tom is split between Hereford and Neath, Gav lives in Brecon and I live in Cardiff which adds up to about 4-6 hours of driving per practise depending on peoples’ locations. We practise under the rail arches in Cardiff which is fairly central to all of us, and has the best transport links for when people can’t drive. We’re all pretty up for the band, so we practise without complaining, just like Rollins would.
Unless I’ve got my wires crossed you’ve done two recording sessions. Did you abort the first, or are those recordings under lock and key?
We attempted to do a rough recording as we were desperate to play it to a few people and try and get a few shows after 6 months writing, so we got Hywel Of Bullets to come in and do a practise room demo on his four track. A few issues with guitar heads and vocals meant that we didn’t get it finished, and it ended up on the cutting room floor.
There seems to be a couple of splintered, self serving hardcore scenes in South Wales. Is there enough going on to warrant such divisions or would you like to see people open their eyes a bit more?
It’s a weird situation. On the whole, South Wales is pretty unified on the whole. You get bands like BEDFORD FALLS playing shows with bands like us, bands like BLACKBEARD playing with CARRION OF VIGRID and so on and no one bats an eyelid. Everyone knows everyone and it’s all pretty chill on the whole, but then there are a few seperate scenes that have come along. The “mosh” scene of bands like BRUTALITY WILL PREVAIL and THE JOYRIDE MANOUVRE seems to be pretty self sufficient and I admire it in a way. The attendances are always pretty good at Scott’s shows and they seem to be well into it and I back it in that regard, especially a band like BWP who are always touring and playing shows. It’s not music i’m into, but it’s nice to see a band from South Wales get further than Bristol. That said, the scene, at least to me, seems to lack a lot of depth. The majority of the kids into it wouldn’t know any bands older than SHATTERED REALM and HATEBREED (if that far back to be honest), and I don’t think any of them would care about that fact either. One of the attractions to me about hardcore has always been the depth, the sheer amount that’s out there, the histories, the storys (Ray Cappo chanting for Krishna in the middle of a riot anyone?) and everything that comes with that, and none of these kids seem to give a shit about it. I guess they are in the moment, but I wouldn’t be surprised if a lot of the less involved kids drifted away to something else in a year or two. But to answer your question, they don’t seem to need or want to us (in a non-hostile way), so I think it’s all chill. As for the Cardiff based bands, I’m not really sure. I don’t really see them at many of Alex’s shows and I guess that’s why they don’t really end up playing them. I can’t really speak to much on them as most don’t appeal to me that much, so I’m not at their shows in general and don’t really know what they are like, but the people involved seem to enjoy themselves. I have seen most of them a few times though where they’ve played with bands I’m into (local and non-local) which again I think demonstrates the crossover and that they aren’t an entirely separate scene.
I don’t think one big unified scene would necessarily be the greatest thing in the world. Obviously financial benefits would be advantageous for promoters, but it would be at the expense of quality control for the clientèle and i’ve seen enough shows spoiled by someone’s drunk mate with no interest in the good bands to know it wouldn’t be worth it. Everything seems to be running quite smoothly for the respective parties now, and while that continues there’s no need to fix it.
You were in NIGHT & THE CITY OF BROKEN PROMISES. Has that come to an end? What are your thoughts on your time in that band and their impact/influence on the local hardcore scene.
It’s on hiatus currently. With my illnesses the band slowed down a bit and ended up dropping behind our plans. We started to pick up a bit last spring, we played some shows (Cardiff, Newport, Leeds and Brighton) and Sam had enough songs for an LP written with the ambition of recording it around Easter. That slipped to summer and we layed the drums tracks down with Jim Le Take, but the rest never got done. Sam has HARBOUR, THE KEEP and the final year of his degree, Hywel has THE KEEP, his film making and various other fads, Al has HARBOUR, TOURNAMENTS and a Mortgage and I have IRONCLAD and a girlfriend who lives several hundred miles away. I think no one has the time or energy for it, especially considering that we’d need to restart it. We’ve lost any momentum we had and perhaps feel that it’s time has passed. That being said, I would really like the LP to be finished as it had some really good songs. I thought we did pretty well and had a good run of it. We toured the UK a few times (me only the once on our “unlucky” tour with A NEW SPELLING where I nearly died), played in Iceland (again, not with me), sold a few hundred records (including all of our 10″s) on our own label and played with lots of rad bands and made a lot of friends. I learnt a lot about to organise a label/tour etc. too which i’ve taken forward to IRONCLAD. I’m not sure what kind of impact/influence we had on South Wales, I guess people used to come out to our shows and buy records and shirts, so we weren’t unpopular or anything. Aside from STATE RUN/FACEL VEGA though, I don’t think too many bands would claim us as some kind of influence. I’m not sure that matters though, we never had any intentions to start or change anything when we began writing songs.
For those who don’t know the story, tell us more about the tour with A NEW SPELLING and the shit that happened to you that you mentioned earlier.
It was totally cursed. For the tour we were meant to have our split 7″ with THE TAKE available. Royal Mail tried to deliver the test presses when no one was in and took them back to the depot. After three visits and approximately two hours of waiting, they conceded that they were in fact lost. The time it took to get them redone meant there was no chance in having them in time. We also lost two vans we’d earmarked for it before even leaving South Wales and had to do the first two dates in cars, before driving back to Wales for a day off and waiting for our driver Dany to go home to Barnsley, pick up the van number three overnight, then driving back in time for us to be able to get to London and play that evening. Apart from a few equipment malfunctions and some ridiculously low amounts of money being paid to us (£20 doesn’t really go far between two bands on tour), the first few dates went OK. After playing Norwich (the fourth show), we had to drive up North to play Edinburgh, so decided to break the drive by staying at our Dany’s house over night. After driving for a couple of hours and getting to about 20 miles South of Barnsley, the van lost all transmission and ran to a halt. Unable to believe our luck and contemplating what could possibly go wrong next, one of A NEW SPELLING remarked somewhat ominously that they were worried someone would die before the end of the tour. We got it off the roundabout we were on at the time and pushed it into a nearby petrol station where we spent the night as the RAC were having none of it. The next morning our Dany’s parents came and rescued us and we got the van towed back for repairs. We had to wait a few days for this to happen, which meant the next few dates of the tour had to be cancelled. We had a few days off then, in the space of which Hywel’s dog died so he returned to Wales to look after his other one. Wanting to get eight smelly dudes out of their house, Dany’s parents suggested we go to their caravan near Scarborough and stay there for a day or so. We went there that evening, watched a VINCE VAUGHN film and chilled. The next day we went to Scarborough for the day. I had some stomach pains in the morning, but I get them regularly thanks to my Crohn’s disease. The day passed fairly uneventfully (my personal highlight was finding the XFILESX 12″ randomly in a record shop that appeared to sell no other hardcore records) apart from my stomach getting worse. By the time we started to go home I was walking bent over and in quite a lot of pain. It got worse and worse into the night, so they took me to hospital in sunny Hull, about 30 minutes drive away. By the time I got there I was regularly screaming in agony. After several scans and x-rays they discovered I had a perforated bowel and had to operate immediately otherewise I would die in the next few hours. The kicker to this was that while I recovered i’d have to have a colostomy bag. They said it would probably be for 3 months, but it was just under a year until I had the reversal operation. I then got to spend the next ten days in Hull, half of which I spent off my face on Morphine, to the extent where I experienced withdrawal symptoms when they reduced my dosage. For those interested, I didn’t count it as breaking edge. I had to have four months off work, which obviously meant that NATC couldn’t play any of the remaining shows on the tour. A NEW SPELLING did though (in the repaired van) before heading back home to the US a few days later. So, all in all, it could have gone a bit better.
What classic shirts can we expect to see IRONCLAD rip off?
While we obviously appreciate the precedent and pedigree in paying homage to other bands’ designs (given that our first shirt was a rip off of a rip off), we’d definitely rather see that as the exception rather than the rule. If anyone out there wants to create something for us, get in touch via our Myspace, unless it would include any knives, guns, skulls, roses or bullets, in which case, don’t fucking bother.
You just got picked up by Dead & Gone Records. How did you get talking to them, and were you talking with them for a while or did they just come out and offer out of the blue?
Totally out of the blue. We played a show in Nottingham with THE DOWN AND OUTS, CRIME WAVE and FAST POINT where we’d arranged to give Ian some copies of our demo for distro. At the end of the night he came up to Tom and asked if we’d be interested in doing a record with them, and there was obviously only once answer we’d give to that. We’re totally siked for it.
Your singers girlfriend is unfeasibly attractive. Does this cause competition with the rest of the band not to date any utter dogs?
The IRONCLAD WOMEN are all of an extremely high caliber and i’d say it’s far more likely the members of bands like THROWN BACK will feel intimidated by them.
Link: http://www.myspace.com/ironcladhc